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Anonymous User 28th Jul

CARLTON ESTATE RWA TO RESIDENTS : PAY 8. 5 LACS APPROX ON ACCOUNT OF PIPED NATURAL GAS INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO CARLTON ESTATE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION RWA OR PENALTY OF INR 250/- PER MONTH WILL BE LEVIED

Author : Vineet Malik
July 28 , 2017
Gurgaon - INDIA

This refers to a proposal of PNG connectivity accepted by the RWA of Carlton Estate Condominium Association , DLF V , Gurgaon - 122009 and thereafter infrastructure cost of INR 8 Lacs + thrusted upon the residents along with a penalty clause of INR 250/- in EVENT of late payment charges.

The Management of Carlton Estate Condominium Association comprises of the following individuals :

Mr Sachin Jain - President
Mr Nitin Gianchandani - Vice President
Mr Sameer Nigam - Secretary
Mr Ibrahim Ahmad - Treasurer
Mr Umesh Sapra - Member
Mr Alok Kumar Srivastava - Estate Manager ( Erstwhile employee of DLF Ltd )

Residents of Carlton Estate have been asked to pay INR 1750/- per flat owner through an invoice dated 19.07.2017 to be paid latest by 18.08.2017.

Residents of Carlton Estate have alleged that such charges on account of infrastructure cost have been arbitrarily demanded from them without conducting a comprehensive analysis and without seeking their consent in writing.

Residents repeated requests made to the Carlton Estate Condominium Association Management whose President is Mr Sachin Jain to review his and other RWA members decision to recall the said charges received an abrupt and illogical response by e mail however with continuous objections raises thereof by the residents , within 48 hours , residents were yet again informed about the U Turn taken by the Carlton Estate Condominium Association RWA pertaining to the objections raised by the residents regarding raising charges on account of Infrastructure Cost raised towards PNG connection to be installed in Carlton Estate.

Residents have been informed through a Circular dated 26-27/07/2017 that , now they need not pay the said infrastructure cost charges however the charges would be refunded in installments by the PNG Co. - HCG - Haryana City Gas applicable for the residents who choose to go ahead with the said PNG connection.

Residents contention is that , the RWA without properly doing their home work with reference to taking feedback about the said PNG Co. along with experience of other Residential Societies in the vicinity forced them to pay such charges and after their protest , took a u turn.

Does this infer ethical conduct of the RWA ?

It appears that , they find it easy enough to fleece money from the residents by levying a penalty clause.

With such a development , residents comfort level has nose dived and they discovered a news article about how HCG is alleged by residents of Gurgaon for its unethical , monopolistic behavior at the cost of the residents raising PNG charges in collusion and under patronage of Haryana Govt as categorically stated in the said news article published in City Spidey , a division of Steve Medius Private Ltd on 07/06/2016.

The said news article is enclosed herewith for reference in public domain.

It remains to be seen that after such unfortunate incidents , Carlton Estate Condominium Association RWA would still associate with such an unethical PNG Co. or will decline the proposal of HCG , keeping in view of interest of the residents of Carlton Estate as paramount.
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https://www.cityspidey.com/spideypick_detail.php?id=878&sef=no-monopoly-free-png-for-competition-gurgaon-residents
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Anonymous User 6th May

Mr Sachin Jain - President
Mr Nitin Gianchandani - Vice President
Mr Sameer Nigam - Secretary
Mr Syed Ibrahim - Treasurer
Mr Umesh Sapra - Member
Carlton Estate Condominium Association
DLF V
Gurgaon

CARLTON ESTATE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION RWA IN DLF V , GURGAON FLEECE MONEY FROM TENANTS IN LIEU OF IN AND OUT SHIFTING CHARGES DESPITE CLEARLY PRONOUNCED THE SAID CHARGES AS ILLEGAL BY HON\'BLE DISTRICT REGISTRAR , FIRMS AND SOCIETIES , GURGAON.

Complaints are pouring in from tenants for being illegally fleeced their money by unethical CECA RWA in lieu of in and out shifting charges.

Now CECA , Carlton Estate Condominium Association Management have illegally started fleecing money from tenants in lieu of increasing In and out shifting charges to Rs.6900/- and all the more giving unreasonable justification of being at par with other condominiums in DLF V , Gurgaon.

At par with other condominiums in DLF V , Gurgaon or at par with looting the tenants ?

Is Carlton Estate Condominium Association , DLF V , Gurgaon setting a wrong precedent to fleece money from the tenants or it considers itself above from law of the land or both ?

Tenants can complain against RWA on \'transfer fee\': Gurgaon administration

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/gurgaon/Tenants-can-complain-against-RWA-on-transfer-fee-Gurgaon-administration/articleshow/46777730.cms
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GURGAON: Residents who live in the city as tenants can now file a complaint against the RWA (residents\' welfare association) concerned, if they are asked to pay any \'transfer fee\', also known as shifting charges.

According to the office of the district registrar, no transfer fee can be charged from tenants according to the law. \"RWAs come up with weird clauses on their own. While RWAs say that the clause pertaining to transfer fee has been agreed upon by the general body, it is actually done to get more money into the RWA account,\" said an official in the district registrar\'s office.

Shikhar Kumar (name changed) moved with his family from another part of NCR to the Millennium City. Kumar, who works with an MNC, chose to live in a 3BHK apartment at Suncity Heights, a condominium in Sector 55. He was asked to pay around Rs 5,000 as transfer fee, which is non-refundable.

TNN | Apr 2, 2015, 03.48AM IST

GURGAON: Residents who live in the city as tenants can now file a complaint against the RWA (residents\' welfare association) concerned, if they are asked to pay any \'transfer fee\', also known as shifting charges.

According to the office of the district registrar, no transfer fee can be charged from tenants according to the law. \"RWAs come up with weird clauses on their own. While RWAs say that the clause pertaining to transfer fee has been agreed upon by the general body, it is actually done to get more money into the RWA account,\" said an official in the district registrar\'s office.

Shikhar Kumar (name changed) moved with his family from another part of NCR to the Millennium City. Kumar, who works with an MNC, chose to live in a 3BHK apartment at Suncity Heights, a condominium in Sector 55. He was asked to pay around Rs 5,000 as transfer fee, which is non-refundable.

\"Every time, one moves into a residential society, the RWA charges a certain transfer fee. Tenants generally have a contract of 11 months and move from one society to another. It doesn\'t happen in other parts of NCR, except in Gurgaon,\" he said.

Not only Suncity Heights but also Bhawani Society in Sector 54 charges a transfer fee every time a tenant moves into the society. Several societies in Sector 56 too charge different amounts as transfer fee.

Nitya from Bhawani Society said, \"For a 3BHK apartment, the RWA charges Rs 7,000 every time a tenant moves into the apartment. There are other interest-free securities charged by the RWA. In total, a tenant pays about Rs 25,000 to RWA in the first month. We lived in a rented apartment in Noida for two years and moved to the city in September 2014. We never paid any transfer fee in Noida. It seems to be the norm only in Gurgaon.\"

The owner of an apartment in Orchid Garden, who lives in Delhi and did not wish to be named, said, \"People prefer to move to other sectors, as RWAs in sectors 54, 55 and 56 charge transfer fee. It has become extremely difficult for us to find tenants.\"

TOI found out that most of the societies charge transfer fee between Rs 3,000 and Rs 10,000 from tenants to maintain funds in their account.

Suman Verma, president of Bhawani Society RWA, said, \"Every society charges transfer fee. It is charged because shifting of luggage to the apartment often damages lifts etc. Besides, the RWA has to maintain funds in the account and charging of transfer fee has been decided by the general body as one of the ways to do so\".

Hari Ram Bansal, estate manager, Suncity Heights, refused to comment on the issue.
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See it for yourself how the President ; ( Mr Sachin Jain ) of Carlton Estate Condominium Association , DLF V , Gurgaon is trying to give unreasonable justification to tenants who have moved in to Carlton Estate , DLF V , Gurgaon.

Messages exchanged between the President and Tenants are mentioned at the bottom.
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ASHUTOSH SATPUTE

C1A-111 Tenant

2 days ago

Rationale behind shifting charge of Rs.6900

Hi Everyone,

Last week I learned that the charges for shifting in or out of the society have been hiked to Rs.6900. This seems quite steep for what is effectively just usage of the lift. Even DLF Park Place only charges around Rs.5700. I have asked multiple people in the office about why the charge is so high, but have not been given any explanation.

Shifting is already a costly affair, and this charge is an added burden on most of us. Could I please ask the RWA members to share their views on why this charge was doubled from the previous level? It seems quite unreasonable.

Thanks,

Ashutosh
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Sachin Jain

C4C 042,Owner

2 days ago

Hi Ashutosh,

The charges were revised early last year taking them at par with most of the condominiums in DLF5 and also to cover maintenance/usage charges of common facilities during the shifting. This is not a recent change.

Thanks,

Sachin
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SUMIT KUMAR

C1B 144,Tenant

a day ago

I agree with Ashutosh , the monthly maintenance charge is less than 4500 for a flat , which takes into the proportionate usage of the whole condominium per flat over a period is 30 days . Moving in/out charges of 6900 don\'t justify such a premium. Three years back it use to be 3000 and at this rate it\'s a 30% increase yoy, while we keep maintenance around the same
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ASHUTOSH SATPUTE

C1A 111,Tenant

a day ago

Hi Mr. Jain,

Thanks for your response. The only common facility used during shifting is the service lift. And charging Rs.6900 simply for the lift seems quite high - especially since it was doubled from the previous level. A hike in line with inflation would seem to be more reasonable.

Also, as I\'ve mentioned earlier, larger and more upscale complexes charge less than we do. In fact, a quick survey of quotes from movers & packers reveals that the cost of transporting household goods (vehicle, loading and unloading) from Carlton 1 to another Gurgaon location is significantly less than Rs.6900.

I agree that this may not be a recent change, but I have spoken to more than 10 resident owners and tenants and no one was aware of this hike. For the benefit of the larger community, could I request you to share the details of how this amount was arrived at? I realise that the RWA is busy with other matters, but this charge is the source of much confusion amongst people like us, and this information would go a long way towards addressing this confusion.

Thanks again for your patience.

Regards,

Ashutosh
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Sachin Jain

C4C 042,Owner

10 hours ago

Hi Ashutosh, the charge is 6000 and 900 is service tax which goes to the government. For very long time, the shifting charges were kept on lower side by previous boards. When we assessed, the cost was not enough to cover the wear and tear, usage of lifts etc. It was also not at par with many other condominiums in DLF5. So we increased it as well to 6000 + taxes early last year. A tenant/owner has to pay this amount when they shift in or shift out. Within complex movement gets a discount where it gets considered as single movement. I hope this answers your question.

Regards,

Sachin

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Divanshu Dubey Reply 1mth
This is daylight robbery. just because others in DLF are doing it don't try to justify. As per the most Rent Agreements the society charges are anyways in the scope of flat owner. Hence if you are convinced that this is legitimate please charge the owner by including in the maintenance bill. Stop fleecing tenants.

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V MATRI 27th Feb

Despite repeatedly writing to DLF LTD , CARLTON ESTATE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION RWA and to National Disaster Management Authority whose Chairman is PM Narendra Modi , no corrective measures have been taken by anyone. Lives of people residing in this residential society is at risk.

All those who decided to buy a house with DLF LTD went terribly wrong as little did they know that the said building has started to corrode in a short span of time.

News article says it all..


http://www.cityspidey.com/spideypick_detail.php?id=1307&sef=can-carlton-estate-gurgaon-withstand-an-earthquake

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Anonymous User 27th Feb

Can Carlton Estate, Gurgaon, withstand an earthquake?

Posted: Aug 10, 2016 By Anil Manchanda

Residents of Carlton Estate in DLF V, Gurgaon, are living under the constant fear of the whole building collapsing. After an appeal to RWA members evoked no response, residents have decided to knock on the doors of the builder, the DLF Group.

They have written several mails to the group and are now awaiting a response from the builder. “More than 15 locations in the basement are in really bad shape. If necessary repairs and restoration are not undertaken immediately, the ceiling in those areas can collapse any moment. In fact, a comprehensive structural audit by a licensed engineer is the need of the hour,” says a worried resident, Vineet Malik.

He adds, “After the RWA failed to get the building repaired, we wrote several mails to DLF, apprising them of the risks. The builder is constructing a school on the vacant plot adjacent to the building; this will invariably put the life of children at risk too. They fail to realise the gravity of the situation.”

The life span of a building is usually not less than 75-80 years, but Carlton Estate will not survive beyond 40-45 years if restoration work is not taken up promptly, feels Malik.

Residents feel that the builder is culpable of criminal negligence, given the condition of the society in such a short time. The construction has been sub-standard, and inferior-quality materials have been used. Topping it, maintenance of the building has also been poor so far. Furthermore, Gurgaon is in Seismic Zone IV, and hence a structurally weak building will collapse even more easily.

When City Spidey contacted the builder, it tried to wash its hands off the issue. VK Gupta, the DLF Group vice-president, said they had handed over the building to residents three years back and are not responsible for carrying out repairs now.

Here are a few pictures of the basement:

http://www.cityspidey.com/spideypick_detail.php?id=1307&sef=can-carlton-estate-gurgaon-withstand-an-earthquake

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